Showing posts with label Murozond. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Murozond. Show all posts
Friday, November 8, 2013
We're Wassssting Time... Precioussssss Time.
So as you all know I am a huge Warcraft Lore buff. The story within the universe is just something which makes you think. Nothing really more than when it involves Nozdormu. He is one of my favourite characters. He is a dragon, master of time, and even though he has lost his aspect powers he is still pretty badass. My favourite point about Nozdormu is when he was given his powers he was shown his death to prove to him that even though he seamed all powerful is his time controlling awesomeness he could not stop death(insert random Malthael look here). This demise was supposed to be End Time when Murozond was defeated. But was it? I have speculated a lot that there is hidden meaning within the instance End Time and the Timeless Isle almost speaks to this fact.
Now keeping that in mind today is Friday, which does mean it is time for a Reader Post and when I saw this submission about End Time I just had to share it. It was written by Mrcoolguyry(btw you need a better name). It deals specifically with the choices of the Echos in End Time. It is a little on the longer side but worth it for all you lore buffs like myself out there.
In the Caverns of Time instances, mostly all of them (with the exception of End Time and Well of Eternity) actually take place in Azeroth's history past and present, and we as the adventurers, our job in them is technically a proto-type for the Timewalkers (by looking at the adventurers defending the timelines from a post-Mists point of view) as we make sure the timelines stay according to their history and eliminate any outside sources that wish to unravel it (The Infinite Dragonflight). In End Time and Well of Eternity on the other hand take place in an alternate future and past. In End Time I have a lot of speculation about. While defeating Murozond and ensuring that "supposedly" the Infinites cease to exist, that would be a fallacy as for the fact that even though we may have gotten rid of the Infinites in Azeroth's current timeline, who's to say that they still couldn't form into existence in an entirely different timeline. Also, I have had a lot of speculation regarding why the Echoes in End Time are the Echoes that they are. Those echoes are those of Jaina, Baine, Tyrande, and Sylvanas. It's time to blow your mind. Each of these echoes' real representations in present Azeroth have ALL been affected in a major way.
Jaina is the most forefront example. Pre Mists (extending to Vanilla) she had brokered for peace between the Horde (led by Thrall at the time) and the Alliance living in Theramore. Well, then Garrosh takes over and he wanting absolute supremacy over a continent that THE ORCS discovered before the humans, has an absolute reason to see Theramore as a threat to the legacy of the Horde. So then he orders a mana bomb. *boom* Theramore is destroyed and Jaina is fucking pissed along getting a new hairstyle that includes blonde with white highlights. Jaina almost tsunamis the shit out of Orgrimmar before being reminded she's dating a hot elf dragon dude with blue hair. She's alright. Fast forward to Mists. She's okay with Dalaran being neutral, but Garrosh being the king of stupid, decides to just have a group of Horde adventurers representing the Sunreavers, steal the Divine Bell from Darnassus, which technically was claimed by the Kirin Tor alone. Okay now Jaina has a reason to be pissed. The Kirin Tor is supposed to be neutral, but with the adventurers involving in the theft of the bell being Horde, Jaina suspects bias among the Sunreavers being Team Horde. She then goes batshit crazy elf racist bitch and kills stragglers or imprisons naughty elves. Jaina is now at the conclusion of where she is at now of being only Alliance. Then go to Siege, you see a darker side of Jaina in which she suggests to finish off the Horde once and for all. But most people are confused by this. I myself think I am not, so I hope.
At the end of Siege, if you are Alliance, Varian discusses his worry and urgency to deal with Sylvanas. THIS is the reason why Jaina wanted to dismantle the Horde. And what do you know? Sylvanas was an echo in End Time too. But she is one of two characters that were already affected majorly before Mists. Throughout WoW's history, Sylvanas has always felt the need to plague the shit out of stuff (This even goes back to Vanilla!) eventually reaching a breaking point at the Wrathgate where it is then the Horde expresses concern over what the Forsaken are really capable of (Which in my opinion makes the Horde complete dumbasses. How in the hell were they like not told or notified about the Forsaken's activities by say a Tauren warrior that leveled in Hillsbrad? HOW THE HELL DID THEY NOT FUCKING KNOW!?!). Also of another note she hates the Lich King (I would hate the shit out of someone too if they killed me, raised me up as a ghost, and then had to have me find my fucking body once I broke free of their control), and it didn't really help her when she found out that the Lich King was still alive, but he was just someone else. It was after seeing this, she threw herself off a cliff and *seeing only darkness before me * she gained nine Val'kyr lives in an attempt to downplay that she's basically a cat at this point. Then comes Cataclysm and Sylvanas and her new Val'kyr friends decide the raise the shit out of the dead to bolster their numbers because dead people don't procreate. So basically we have a batshit crazy undead high elf banshee lady queen with a growing army of undead along with biological weapons terrifying similar to the Lich King, the Scourge, and the Cult of the Damned. Yet... what if this is the way Sylvanas and the Forsaken were purposely depicted in WoW? Sylvanas had a partnership with a dreadlord --- who isn't to say that Varimathras possibly persuaded her that in the event of the Scourge's return, she would have to raise up an army to combat that --- The Forsaken --- and could also possibly be used as a bolstering force to the Scourge in the event Sylvanas gained the Crown of Dominion once -- or -- if she defeated the Lich King. Think about that. Sylvanas is acting like a Lich Queen because she's been programmed that way -- after meeting Varimathras. Dreadlords are master manipulators after all. Or another possible scenario is when Varimathras was supposedly defeated in Undercity, he sent his remaining essence went into Sylvanas. *boom* I hope that just blew your mind.
Baine Bloodhoof was also another character majorly affected before Mists. In the interim between Wotlk and Cata he lost his father, and a great betrayal occurred among the Tauren due to the Grimtotem (Once again the Horde are major dumbasses. I mean how the hell did the Tauren not see this coming? Especially Cairne. FUCKING CAIRNE MAN FUCKING CAIRNE). He has since then assumed major responsibility as chieftain of the Tauren, but what could be so significant in his future that would make him an echo in End Time? For this one I don't have a lot of theories. My top one is, he could be the one destined to finally unite all the Tauren tribes under one banner by showing his triumph of leadership over (hopefully) the final judgment on the Grimtotem and the execution of Magatha (one that should have happened a long time ago) and finally eradicating the centaur and quilboar with the blessing of Agamaggan and Zaetar to relieve their cursed children of their suffering while in the process finally making Tauren lands safe and free to roam (ugh lord) as a testament to Cairne's legacy and Baine's tenacity to finally accomplish his father's dream.
I would include Tyrande to this list, but I have put on a big huge tin-foil hat/fan-fiction/potential ideas for character development for her.
Wasn't I right? Great read and very thought provoking. That's it for this week have a great weekend and enjoy Blizzcon!
Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Coming Voices in 4.3
If you have never heard me say it before I will say it again, you have to play with your sound on. In 4.3 we have some great voice acting done again. There is nothing like doing a dungeon or a raid and having a quote ring through. So much so that you always remember it. Think about it, how many of these have occurred since you have been playing WoW. One of the most notable being "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED", but there are countless others.
Today though I decided to share some of the PTR voices with you. If you don't want a spoiler then don't listen to them. Don't say you didn't see me say it then send me countless emails explaining how I ruined the game for you. Some of you may be laughing right now, but I tell you now it will happen. So here are a couple I think are worth listening to.
First we have Murozond the Infinite form of Nozdormu. There seems to be quite a bit of foreshadowing in everything he says, but being the Timeless One this makes perfect sense. Done incredibly well this is going to be one of my favourite for a long time.
If you know nothing of Azshara you may think this voice over is awful, but knowing anything about Azshara you will know how amazing and perfectly done this is. I salute Blizzard extremely well at hitting this one right on the head. Something which is incredibly hard to do with a character so many people have an image in their mind of how it should be.
Today though I decided to share some of the PTR voices with you. If you don't want a spoiler then don't listen to them. Don't say you didn't see me say it then send me countless emails explaining how I ruined the game for you. Some of you may be laughing right now, but I tell you now it will happen. So here are a couple I think are worth listening to.
First we have Murozond the Infinite form of Nozdormu. There seems to be quite a bit of foreshadowing in everything he says, but being the Timeless One this makes perfect sense. Done incredibly well this is going to be one of my favourite for a long time.
If you know nothing of Azshara you may think this voice over is awful, but knowing anything about Azshara you will know how amazing and perfectly done this is. I salute Blizzard extremely well at hitting this one right on the head. Something which is incredibly hard to do with a character so many people have an image in their mind of how it should be.
Friday, October 7, 2011
Noz In End Time
Friday! The last day before the long weekend begins. Well a long weekend in Canada at least. This is our Thanksgiving weekend. So yes it is my turkey day! Well Monday is at least. Anyways, Friday means it is time for a Reader Post. The post of the week where you all submit responses based on the topic I gave you. This week I wanted to know what you all thought about Nozdormu being in End Time, the new 5 man instance. So let`s see what you all had to say.
Him appearing as Murozond, the leader of the Infinite, the flight that we know are meddling with the timeline "for the sake of the greater good". What I think is rather interesting is the bronze flight always sent us back to ensure that time was kept the same,but this is the first time that the players actually assist in changing the timeline, rather than preventing it. Nozdormu seemingly makes light of those actions, saying that he'll handle everything. I just think this is the foreshadow of his demise.
Its weird, the Titans showed Nozdormu his death so that he wouldn't have the hubris to think he was invincible...and he just changed the future, therefore changing his end. Weird concept or intended result?
I really had a very interesting idea. What if the newest patch is the story of not one Aspect's fall, but two? And not a cheap plot device, but a cunning act by Blizzard to tie all the ends together? Nozdormu had always known he'd go mad and die this way, no matter what choices he'd make. What wasn't clear was that it was us who assisted him all the way, both in committing the crime and taking the punishment. Just a thought I've had. Maybe I'm wrong, but looked at from this perspective, I think this patch keeps looking better and better.
It's pretty much been accepted at this point that Murozond is Nozdormu, but I'm stumped as to how this is possible give that it's been stated multiple times that Noz exists outside of time and while you will find multiple versions of a normal person in different time lines, there is and always has been only one Nozdormu across all timelines.
What if what the players witness and assist in doing is actually the very crime against the Timelord's own nature, the point in time where he learns to abuse his power, where the idea of fixing everything comes from, and that's what shatters the Aspect's mind? We know Nozdormu knows his own future, but is powerless to change it. What if, faced with the Deathwing threat, he chooses to betray his own nature and accepts his fate to give Azeroth a fighting chance? And the trip to the "End Time" is not only to show the adventurers the consequences of not stopping Deathwing, but to strengthen his own resolve before the crime he has yet to commit, accepting what it will make him, as well as the death at the hands of beings he deems worthy? To get rid of any regrets before sacrificing his own essence, for the sake of everything else, before he loses what makes him himself, his role as the Aspect? Before he takes the step that he knows and had always known will plunge him into madness?
I suspect that the Dragon Soul being brought into the present from the Well of Eternity may have something to do with Nozdormu's corruption. The Dragon Soul itself was instrumental in the Old God's corruption of Neltharion. Perhaps the contact Nozdormu will have with the artifact as he returns it to its original timeline will be enough to get the corruption rolling. I think it's an interesting idea that would bring even more things full circle in the upcoming patch.
Death by mortal hands. It sort of makes sense that he would not be able to prevent it in any way, and the easiest explanation of how all the timelines can lead to this one unavoidable result. Details will vary, but the end result "a mad dragon, slain in combat" is the same. If there were too many details, or if other details were too important, it would potentially make the fate avertable. Even the "mortal hands" bit may be debatable, but still unable to be averted. Even at the End Time, when there is no life left, his past self brings his prophetized end to him. I think this is that kind of mind blown moment everyone expects with time travel.
And there you have it. I just want to say there was countless submissions to this topic and I would have loved to include them all it just was not possible. I want to thank everyone who submitted something as it is always very much appreciated. This post itself would not be possible without all of you contributing to it. So if you would like to participate in next week's topic be sure to check out the topic during Sunday's Ask Gauss post. With nothing else left to say, enjoy your weekend everyone!
Him appearing as Murozond, the leader of the Infinite, the flight that we know are meddling with the timeline "for the sake of the greater good". What I think is rather interesting is the bronze flight always sent us back to ensure that time was kept the same,but this is the first time that the players actually assist in changing the timeline, rather than preventing it. Nozdormu seemingly makes light of those actions, saying that he'll handle everything. I just think this is the foreshadow of his demise.
Its weird, the Titans showed Nozdormu his death so that he wouldn't have the hubris to think he was invincible...and he just changed the future, therefore changing his end. Weird concept or intended result?
I really had a very interesting idea. What if the newest patch is the story of not one Aspect's fall, but two? And not a cheap plot device, but a cunning act by Blizzard to tie all the ends together? Nozdormu had always known he'd go mad and die this way, no matter what choices he'd make. What wasn't clear was that it was us who assisted him all the way, both in committing the crime and taking the punishment. Just a thought I've had. Maybe I'm wrong, but looked at from this perspective, I think this patch keeps looking better and better.
It's pretty much been accepted at this point that Murozond is Nozdormu, but I'm stumped as to how this is possible give that it's been stated multiple times that Noz exists outside of time and while you will find multiple versions of a normal person in different time lines, there is and always has been only one Nozdormu across all timelines.
What if what the players witness and assist in doing is actually the very crime against the Timelord's own nature, the point in time where he learns to abuse his power, where the idea of fixing everything comes from, and that's what shatters the Aspect's mind? We know Nozdormu knows his own future, but is powerless to change it. What if, faced with the Deathwing threat, he chooses to betray his own nature and accepts his fate to give Azeroth a fighting chance? And the trip to the "End Time" is not only to show the adventurers the consequences of not stopping Deathwing, but to strengthen his own resolve before the crime he has yet to commit, accepting what it will make him, as well as the death at the hands of beings he deems worthy? To get rid of any regrets before sacrificing his own essence, for the sake of everything else, before he loses what makes him himself, his role as the Aspect? Before he takes the step that he knows and had always known will plunge him into madness?
I suspect that the Dragon Soul being brought into the present from the Well of Eternity may have something to do with Nozdormu's corruption. The Dragon Soul itself was instrumental in the Old God's corruption of Neltharion. Perhaps the contact Nozdormu will have with the artifact as he returns it to its original timeline will be enough to get the corruption rolling. I think it's an interesting idea that would bring even more things full circle in the upcoming patch.
Death by mortal hands. It sort of makes sense that he would not be able to prevent it in any way, and the easiest explanation of how all the timelines can lead to this one unavoidable result. Details will vary, but the end result "a mad dragon, slain in combat" is the same. If there were too many details, or if other details were too important, it would potentially make the fate avertable. Even the "mortal hands" bit may be debatable, but still unable to be averted. Even at the End Time, when there is no life left, his past self brings his prophetized end to him. I think this is that kind of mind blown moment everyone expects with time travel.
And there you have it. I just want to say there was countless submissions to this topic and I would have loved to include them all it just was not possible. I want to thank everyone who submitted something as it is always very much appreciated. This post itself would not be possible without all of you contributing to it. So if you would like to participate in next week's topic be sure to check out the topic during Sunday's Ask Gauss post. With nothing else left to say, enjoy your weekend everyone!
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
The Unfinished Story Of Nozdormu
First off I want to say there may be some things within this post that some would consider SPOILERS. So if you are scared of that sort of thing don't read it and complain.
With that out of the way we can now get to it. So with 4.3 coming we know that Murzond is killed and is revealed to be a future version on Nozdormu. Upon killing him Nozdormu says this to you
"At last it has come to pass. The moment of my demise. The loop is closed. My future self will cause no more harm from this day on. Still, in the future, I will... fall to madness. And you, heroes... will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat. So it goes. What matters is that Azeroth did not fall; that humanity survived to live another day. All that matters... is this moment."
Now this would appear that this is the moment that Aman'thul showed Nozdormu or is it? When you kill Murozond or are killing him he says this
"You know not what you have done. Aman'Thul... What I... have... seen..."
Now this could mean this isn't the moment that Nozdormu witnessed that would be his demise. Or is this Murozond warning of us of the future and what the Titan's themselves have done are doing or will do to the world? Very interesting indeed. One thing I want to point out that this isn't the real demise of our Nozdormu is what found out in Twilight of the Aspects. This slight summary is taken from wowpedia.
After the battle Nozdormu took the time to explain that in one of the future timeways, he becomes the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight. Stunned, the three other Aspect listened as Nozdormu explained why he was late to the final battle: He was following another thread of information. He discovered who was behind the vast and dreadful conspiracy: The Old Gods. Nozdormu confirmed that they caused all of the horrible events against the Dragonflights and Azeroth.
Now note there it is "one" of the future timeways.. Also the fact that Nozdormu had to find out about the old gods being the corrupter is confusing because hiss curse is to know what is going to happen at all moments and not able to stop it. We also learned in Twilight of the Aspects that some how the Old Gods were able to get into the time ways and bring someone from one timeway into another just as we saw Thrall was able to travel in a completely different timeway, and most importantly we learned that there is one true timeway.
So my theory is that Murozond is a Nozdormu from another timeway which was corrupted by the Old Gods, and this explains how he was in a "future" timeway because in this timeway Deathwing actually won. Just like in Twilight of the Aspects Thrall was in a Timeway where he didn't survive and the world was completely different.
The Old Gods must know what is about to happen in the true timeway and want to stop it from happening they know we are going for the Dragon Soul and used their agent Murozond who controls timeways to try and stop it from happening. This would explain how Nozdormu had no knowledge of his corruption until he "found" it.
Of course I could be completely wrong and Nozdormu could just become the "new Deathwing" during the Deathwing fight. This being where the Old Gods latch themselves on to them. We will jsut have to wait and see. I just have a feeling that Blizzard would not let their most prized and interesting dragon Aspect simply get brushed off without adding an epic tale to it all.
With that out of the way we can now get to it. So with 4.3 coming we know that Murzond is killed and is revealed to be a future version on Nozdormu. Upon killing him Nozdormu says this to you
"At last it has come to pass. The moment of my demise. The loop is closed. My future self will cause no more harm from this day on. Still, in the future, I will... fall to madness. And you, heroes... will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat. So it goes. What matters is that Azeroth did not fall; that humanity survived to live another day. All that matters... is this moment."
Now this would appear that this is the moment that Aman'thul showed Nozdormu or is it? When you kill Murozond or are killing him he says this
"You know not what you have done. Aman'Thul... What I... have... seen..."
Now this could mean this isn't the moment that Nozdormu witnessed that would be his demise. Or is this Murozond warning of us of the future and what the Titan's themselves have done are doing or will do to the world? Very interesting indeed. One thing I want to point out that this isn't the real demise of our Nozdormu is what found out in Twilight of the Aspects. This slight summary is taken from wowpedia.
After the battle Nozdormu took the time to explain that in one of the future timeways, he becomes the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight. Stunned, the three other Aspect listened as Nozdormu explained why he was late to the final battle: He was following another thread of information. He discovered who was behind the vast and dreadful conspiracy: The Old Gods. Nozdormu confirmed that they caused all of the horrible events against the Dragonflights and Azeroth.
Now note there it is "one" of the future timeways.. Also the fact that Nozdormu had to find out about the old gods being the corrupter is confusing because hiss curse is to know what is going to happen at all moments and not able to stop it. We also learned in Twilight of the Aspects that some how the Old Gods were able to get into the time ways and bring someone from one timeway into another just as we saw Thrall was able to travel in a completely different timeway, and most importantly we learned that there is one true timeway.
So my theory is that Murozond is a Nozdormu from another timeway which was corrupted by the Old Gods, and this explains how he was in a "future" timeway because in this timeway Deathwing actually won. Just like in Twilight of the Aspects Thrall was in a Timeway where he didn't survive and the world was completely different.
The Old Gods must know what is about to happen in the true timeway and want to stop it from happening they know we are going for the Dragon Soul and used their agent Murozond who controls timeways to try and stop it from happening. This would explain how Nozdormu had no knowledge of his corruption until he "found" it.
Of course I could be completely wrong and Nozdormu could just become the "new Deathwing" during the Deathwing fight. This being where the Old Gods latch themselves on to them. We will jsut have to wait and see. I just have a feeling that Blizzard would not let their most prized and interesting dragon Aspect simply get brushed off without adding an epic tale to it all.
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